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refer · Jul 27, 2009, 08:34 PM // 20:34

I thought of this a while ago but post now anyways.

Being sick of leechers and bots getting rewarded for doing nothing, I thought, why don't they give out faction at the end of matches? If somebody sits in one spot they'd be recognized by the system automatically like it works for dishonor, but they'd also not being able to collect any faction given for all that time. If somebody is also reported too much, then they'd be unable to be given any faction either. This system would also punish quitters - if they left the game they'd get nothing. The only people who you might get not pulling their weight would be grievers, but those are rare and if you can usually report them for leeching anyways (some people may debate that, but if they only come over to mess up your side but still get rewarded, how is that not leeching? probably be better if they'd add a griefer report option).

I know some of you would say "ABUSE!" but that can apply to everything. People are too lazy to even /report actual people who deserve it, let alone go abuse length (plus too many people are unrealistically afraid of getting hex).

If this was to happen they should add a couple new features. These aren't necessary but complimentary: since there would be more bots if this change was implemented, reporting for botting would need to made public so others can see who is botting or how many have reported. Right now when you report somebody for botting, only you can see that you reported them for that, not others. A lot of people don't notice bots or only like to report once somebody does it first, so for everybody to see bot reports, that would be big. It also might be helpful to have an option to turn off seeing faction as it happens, since it's not really being received in real time.

UPDATE: I think part of this has been implemented (the part about report enough during a match, they get no faction)... can you confirm if it was here before or new for me? I just posted about it here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...3&postcount=21

Tharg · Jul 27, 2009, 09:02 PM // 21:02

great /signed. What if you get disconnected though - tough luck?

refer · Jul 27, 2009, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by tvalentijn

great /signed. What if you get disconnected though - tough luck?

Probably. Hurts but at least it wouldn't hurt the people who lose the server connection and just need to type in their password again.

Pistachio · Jul 27, 2009, 09:19 PM // 21:19

That's a totally decent solution. I think it would also cut down on disconnects during games, because players would want to see the match through until the end to collect their earnings.

IronSheik · Jul 27, 2009, 10:09 PM // 22:09

I think another good option is you have to get so many "Points" or else you won't earn faction. Using skills/attacking something would get you x Points and it'd take at least 5 minutes of work but easily achievable for someone actually playing

refer · Jul 27, 2009, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

I think another good option is you have to get so many "Points" or else you won't earn faction. Using skills/attacking something would get you x Points and it'd take at least 5 minutes of work but easily achievable for someone actually playing

I think that would be a more complicated. Also, don't underestimate Monk spam bots. They will get the however many points are needed.

IronSheik · Jul 27, 2009, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Well what about the auto follow bots? A large majority of leechers in JQ i've seen follow position 1/2 Whole game

refer · Jul 27, 2009, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

Well what about the auto follow bots? A large majority of leechers in JQ i've seen follow position 1/2 Whole game

I addressed this already. There would be more bots but if botting reports were public and enough reported then they'd get nothing.

Bob Slydell · Jul 27, 2009, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Good solution but you do know people will find a way to exploit it like they do everything else. I was thinking they would probably make a bot and program it to walk around and make it look like they are doing something. Once a leecher always a leecher.

/Signed anyway.

x sithis x · Jul 27, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51

i think they should subtract the amount of faction u have or get when u /report for leeching, i mean 99.99% of people dont even /report so i dought it will be abused

Evil Eye · Jul 28, 2009, 12:20 AM // 00:20

Just don't give pvevp arenas any faction. Problem fixed.

Fabez · Jul 28, 2009, 12:27 AM // 00:27

I agree to the point of not allocating any Faction to players who haven't moved the entire match, but I'm afraid I'm going to be one of those "ABUSE!" shouters.

All of the current ways that /report gets abused will apply here, and probably make this issue even worse.

Need More Donuts · Jul 28, 2009, 12:42 AM // 00:42

I cant stand when people leave in the middle of a match........
/signed

refer · Jul 28, 2009, 06:26 AM // 06:26

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Originally Posted by Chrisworld

Good solution but you do know people will find a way to exploit it like they do everything else. I was thinking they would probably make a bot and program it to walk around and make it look like they are doing something. Once a leecher always a leecher.

/Signed anyway.

So should we just do nothing? The whole excuse of abuse makes me kinda irritated... don't do it, it leads to abuse, don't do it, it leads to abuse. It's the excuse that can be applied to anything, thus I don't really pay attention to it. Bots will always be there, we can never perfectly rid them out. But we can make it harder for those who want to leech easy and try to stick it to those attempting to get around the system.

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Originally Posted by Fabez

I agree to the point of not allocating any Faction to players who haven't moved the entire match, but I'm afraid I'm going to be one of those "ABUSE!" shouters.

All of the current ways that /report gets abused will apply here, and probably make this issue even worse.

The only abuse I ever see is accidental reports when somebody is AFK since they forgot they entered the mission already. Everything can be abused but doing nothing is worse since they will get away with anything and there would be nothing you can do. If somebody is on the blunt end of the report abuse, they are hanging out with the wrong people or just got unlucky. It shouldn't happen much. Have you played any factions PvP this year too? Nobody ever reports, even known players who continue to enter mission after mission doing nothing or the same bot skills. You can say somebody's name a 1000 times and scream leecher, but not much happens. Sure you may get 1 or 2 reports, but usually never the majority of the team (how it should be). I've even leeched before and announced it as well but nobody did anything about it, so abuse is highly unlikely IMO if they can't even do proper abuse reporting when leechers flat out tell them what they are doing. Unless you actually taunt or egg the team on, which most non players don't since they are AFK, they don't report. The new update which auto reports on no move was a big step forward, it really removed leechers or converted them to super noticeable bots. What I suggest is just an extension of that.

Fabez · Jul 28, 2009, 12:02 PM // 12:02

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The only abuse I ever see is accidental reports when somebody is AFK since they forgot they entered the mission already. Everything can be abused but doing nothing is worse since they will get away with anything and there would be nothing you can do. If somebody is on the blunt end of the report abuse, they are hanging out with the wrong people or just got unlucky. It shouldn't happen much. Have you played any factions PvP this year too? Nobody ever reports, even known players who continue to enter mission after mission doing nothing or the same bot skills. You can say somebody's name a 1000 times and scream leecher, but not much happens. Sure you may get 1 or 2 reports, but usually never the majority of the team (how it should be). I've even leeched before and announced it as well but nobody did anything about it, so abuse is highly unlikely IMO if they can't even do proper abuse reporting when leechers flat out tell them what they are doing. Unless you actually taunt or egg the team on, which most non players don't since they are AFK, they don't report. The new update which auto reports on no move was a big step forward, it really removed leechers or converted them to super noticeable bots. What I suggest is just an extension of that.

I play Alliance Battles regularly, and Fort Aspenwood/Jade Quarry on the days the Zaishen Combat Quest for them arrives.

I see the "people do not use /report" problem mostly in FA/JQ, due to the way that the teams are made for either side (random), people seem to not care at all in those PvP area's. In AB, I only run with guild/alliance members and with friends, and all 4 of us /report leechers/bots if we find one, so it's a much lesser problem.

As for the abuse of the "/report" feature, true story here:

I was ABing during the Alliance Battle weekend with some of my friends, when out of the blue some random player reports me for leeching and starts shouting in team chat that I'm a leecher and that others should report me too. By the end of the match, I had 6 reports against me for leeching, despite not having done anything wrong, all because one player had a grudge against me apparently.

(note: this is only one story, but there are plenty of others, asking around in-game)

Until ANet fixes the way the current "/report" system works/gets abused, I would prefer no additions being made to it.

(yes, I do recognize leeching as a serious problem, and I want to see the problem resolved, but I'm just skeptic about what your suggested "/report" additions would accomplish)

Mad Lord of Milk · Jul 28, 2009, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Evil Eye

Just don't give pvevp arenas any faction. Problem fixed.

Well, you're obviously retarded.

For the original post, good idea.

/signed

Shadowhaze · Jul 28, 2009, 08:18 PM // 20:18

/signed
That would be nice to cut a leecher/botter's reward. But as said, anything can and will be abused.

Reverend Dr · Jul 28, 2009, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by refer

If somebody sits in one spot they'd be recognized by the system automatically like it works for dishonor,

Bots always evolve, but even current generation bots already circumvent this. Great, lets waste developer time with a solution that is already useless.

refer · Jul 29, 2009, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Bots always evolve, but even current generation bots already circumvent this. Great, lets waste developer time with a solution that is already useless.

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Kook~NBK~ · Jul 29, 2009, 01:04 AM // 01:04

/SIGNED

It would definitely reduce the amount of leavers, how much it would help with the leechers and bots, I dunno.